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The Chatterbox => Computing => Topic started by: vladgd on September 10, 2008, 03:39:30 PM
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video card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130374
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
memory- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231151
cd/dvd drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171
speed hdd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296
storage hdd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136283
motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131182
power supply- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256017
case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043
OS- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493
total = $1759.00
just looking around newegg before work, hows that look?
im going to modify each part when i eventually have the money, because prices go down, and i won't be able to buy this thing till at least spring/summer 2009. but uhh, looks good to me, i just need smarter people to analyze my choices.
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Personally I'd use AMD if I were going to be gaming a ton on mine, other than that, it look pretty sexy. Also looking at that dickfuckhuge video card, you may be screwing yourself out of some expansion slots, maybe look for a more roomy board that that?
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Lol, another AMD fan. From the experience I've had with my AMDs (now that I have an AMD laptop), I'm gonna be sticking with them. I really like these processors.
I don't know how much the difference between an AMD and an intel would make on gaming, but as a general rule, I've decided to buy AMD.
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i use an amd in my current pc, intel is just better at the moment. also, this isn't an AMD CIRCLEJERK thread, its helping me out with my part selection. enough comments on that (if i don't say that, bobbias will continue, I KNOW WHAT YOU DO).
anyway, why would i need these expansion slots? im not really going to add to the machine after its built. and the case im getting is a full atx case, so it shouldn't have any problems with my card.
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It's a "just in case" thing, like just in case you want to add something like an internal capture card or Wi-Fi receiver.
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nothing id really need.
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(Unrelated to previous comment) I'd probably go with a motherboard capable of SLI so that when you inevitably need to upgrade your video card, you could buy something similar to what you have and use SLI. That's what I'm planning on doing.
Also, my video card takes up 2 slots, but it runs pretty cool because of the beastly heatsink, so I don't mind.
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ok, apparently a 32 bit os can't support the full 4gb of ram, and since i am a whore, i need 4gb of ram for the fuck of it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116493
its vista...spectere, you had better tell me what is awesome about vista, because from what ive used of it, its a lot less user friendly than xp is. but i get the dx10, and whatever other features it has.
now that i think of it....i am a whore...I MUST GO OVERKILL (well its only adding $80.00 to the ram cost, but its still overkill)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227290
because vista 64-bit allows for 8gb of ram
HAWHAWHAW
also, when i have this beast of a rig built, im buying a new hdd, replacing it in my current rig(or getting a program or something to totally nuke my hdd, but id rather get a new hdd since my current one is a few years old and it could croak any time now), throwing that rig in a new case with actual cooling, then giving it to the parents since their ancient dell desktop SSUCCKCKCKCkssksksksksks.
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I'm using Vista. I don't see what isn't user-friendly about it. It's tough on hardware, but you should be fine with the stuff you're picking out. If you don't want it, there's always XP64.
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Eh I think it's best if you go with Vista for the system you are building considering 4 GB of ram is more then sufficent to run Vista just fine. I actually used Vista and it is user-friendly...just bad rep and all.
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Yeah, after using it for a while, aside form those "vista needs your permission" popups, I don't have too many things to bitch about. the only real issue I've encountered is not being able to share files with XP (though it sees the samba share on my MyBook fine).
I find that Vista runs quite nicely on this machine, actually. It's not even all that good, when it comes to hardware (2GB DDR2, and an AMD Athlon64 X2 QL-60). Getting Vista64 on a 64 processor would likely run even better than this does, being able to take advantage of the 64bit registers.
Not to mention that XP is rather rapidly becoming obsolete. Very soon new games are going to stop making versions that don't work in DX9 and only work in DX10, forcing people to upgrade if they want to play new games. And god knows what microsoft will do to force people to upgrade soon, once they've completely stopped selling XP and stopped offering those "pre-downgraded" versions and such as well.
And, since it's software, not hardware, you don't have the issue of early adoption like you do with hardware (you know, getting the first video card released in a series that turns out to be much shittier than the next batch, despite still being marginally better tan the current popular generation, and costing an arm and a leg).
(yes, I actually made an intelligent contribution to the thread)
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well you can turn the popups off, im more worried about certain shit being incompatible with vista. (sister had a printer that didn't work, tried to play multiplayer diablo 1, NOPE)
had a friend who had a pc with vista, it was SLOW SLWOWLwoflwofwlfwoa, got xp, and he isn't going back. like everybody i know has a laptop with vista, and either they don't have enough power, or something because ive not seen too much positive with the OS.
but i guess i can edit the first post to add the ram and vista. ILL GET USED TO IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
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Most laptops just shouldn't have Vista. Period. My PC is running it better than fine with 4GB of RAM, a GeForce 8800GT, and a 3.0GHz dual-core, which is close to what you're getting.
Yeah, after using it for a while, aside form those "vista needs your permission" popups, I don't have too many things to bitch about.
I managed to disable UAC, but I don't explicitly remember how. It wasn't hard, but it did require me to logout and log back in.
Also, vlad, for storage, you might want this instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148274
Basically what you had, except with a different manufacturer and 1TB of space at the same price.
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Even running my specs (my Processor runs at 1.9 GHz (when not being downed to save power, that is), and it's only 32 bit, and I've got a Radeon 3100 in here, and it runs rather nicely. I'm actually surprised at how responsive it is. So if it can run on this, it can definitely run well on whatever you're constructing. (and also can likely run on any half decent laptop now, since this was one of the cheapest ones I could find).
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im thinking, i really don't want to spend $1800.00 on a pc. i can get a nice pc which can run everything good for less money.
brainstorm session #2 coming whenever i feel like modifying the parts again.
going to try to keep the machine under $1500, 4gb ram(not that the extra $80.00 for 8gb matters, i can always get 8gb later since ram is dirt cheap), quad core, blablabla.
and i have to take in consideration parts drop in price, and my money estimate is 6 months, so prices will definitely drop by then.
i mean, i want a nice pc, but if i make a 12-1500 pc, thats like $300 i could spend on other shit, like a widescreen monitor, psp, or a gallon of gasoline.
but uhh this thread is basically me thinking out loud, with opinions from other people. nothing is really final till i have the money.
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I managed to disable UAC, but I don't explicitly remember how. It wasn't hard, but it did require me to logout and log back in.
Control Panel -> User Accounts -> Turn User Access Control on or off
its vista...spectere, you had better tell me what is awesome about vista, because from what ive used of it, its a lot less user friendly than xp is. but i get the dx10, and whatever other features it has.
If you run into it expecting it to be just like XP you're going to think that it's less user-friendly. After you get used to it and have used it for a while, XP will seem like a major downgrade in the UI department.
Here's a few examples off the top of my head:
1) XP has a nasty habit of clearing out the address bar in Explorer windows even while you're typing. Nothing worse than typing in a network path and having the UI repeatedly reset it back to "My Computer" half-way through. Vista doesn't do this.
2) Breadcrumb paths are fairly nice and make a great substitute for the up button. You can go back to any level with a single click.
3) Explorer windows now only display the tree view. Additionally, they have a customizable list of favorite locations on the left side.
4) There is no longer a horizontal scroll bar on the Explorer folder tree. As you scroll up and down it automatically keeps the folders centered in the view.
5) Per-application volume controls. Insert featuregasm here.
6) YOU CAN STILL NAVIGATE WINDOWS USING NOTHING BUT A KEYBOARD. Kudos to Microsoft for not failing me in this department.
7) If you have Aero enabled you can get thumbnail previews of windows if you hover over them on the taskbar or do an ALT-TAB.
8) The start menu search feature is nothing short of AWESOME. I've gotten in the habit of starting programs by tapping the Windows key, typing in part of the application name, and either hitting ENTER or selecting the right one from the list. I have a hard time coping without this feature. :)
9) Native OS support for tilt wheels so you don't have to install your mouse manufacturer's horrible, buggy drivers (I'm looking at you, Logitech!).
And I dunno I'm tired. D:
If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.
Personally I'd use AMD if I were going to be gaming a ton on mine, other than that, it look pretty sexy.
I don't know how much the difference between an AMD and an intel would make on gaming, but as a general rule, I've decided to buy AMD.
Intel is destroying AMD when it comes to performance: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008/benchmarks,16.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008/benchmarks,16.html). Clock-for-clock, the Core 2 series is faster. Whether or not AMD has the price advantage is up in the air (AMD was quite a bit more expensive for a long time, not sure if they changed that since then).
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8) The start menu search feature is nothing short of AWESOME. I've gotten in the habit of starting programs by tapping the Windows key, typing in part of the application name, and either hitting ENTER or selecting the right one from the list. I have a hard time coping without this feature. :)
Hells yes!!! It's very amazing. I'll hit start...type calc, photo (for photoshop), vice (for GTA vice city) hehehehehe. I was using XP on my old laptop, hit the startmenu and though..."Damn, I should be in my appilcation already..."
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Hells yes!!! It's very amazing. I'll hit start...type calc, photo (for photoshop), vice (for GTA vice city) hehehehehe. I was using XP on my old laptop, hit the startmenu and though..."Damn, I should be in my appilcation already..."
Man, I know the feeling. The most recently used application view is okay, but it's definitely no replacement for a proper search. When I first saw it I thought it was going to be slow as a dog when you start installing more applications, but even now it's still very fast.
I think that there is a third-party app for XP that implements that but I haven't tried it.
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Yeah, I'm loving that feature as well. And I like having the option of both a most used applications, and being able to pin programs up there to eliminate searching. This is the first time I've switched from the oldschool start menu. I couldn't stand the "new" XP one, but Vista has VASTLY improved on that.
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part selection beta 2
video card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130374
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
memory- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227267
cd/dvd drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152
speed hdd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296
storage hdd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148298
motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131182
power supply- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256017
case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043
OS- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488
total = $1580
i tried to cut cost, while keeping things relatively similar. i noticed i save some $80.00 in the os, can anybody tell me how much of a downgrade that would be, if any compared to the os in this post and the os in the first post.
but uhh other than that, everything should be ok. the case is big with lots of fans, because of that, i shouldn't have problems with the video card, or ram (look at them, they have awesome looking heat pipes coming out of the top). the motherboard from my knowledge looks good, i am NOT interested in spending another $350.00 for another video card for sli, one will be just fine. the PSU should be more than enough power for what i need, it has a single 12v rail, and its completely modular. the CPU should kick ass, unless it's not as fast as it looks to me (i just assume its like having 4x 2.4ghz processors in one, is that correct?) and the price is awesome. changed the storage hdd, it should be reliable, if not, im never getting a seagate again. i still want a lightning fast velociraptor so that stays.
but uhh yeah, if all looks good, i think i will keep the parts the way they are until i have the money, which i will then modify them again.
(not to mention, the lower the price, the better, because i want a 22inch widescreen samsung monitor, and they aint cheap. i expect the price of this thing to hopefully go down $100-$200 in 5 or so months so yeah, maby MABY!)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_editions
Doesn't seem to be too many things, really.
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All depends on what you do with it.
Home Premium is fine for most non-Specteres.
i still want a lightning fast velociraptor so that stays.
If you want a fast drive you'd be best off using a RAID array. Two 7200rpm drives on a striped array (even a mere pseudo-hardware one like the nForce chipset) is going to be as fast or faster than a single 10000rpm drive, not to mention that it's going to hold a lot more.
I ended up going with a RAID 0+1 setup with four 750GB drives. Basically, it's two 1.5TB RAID arrays set to mirror. I could lose any one drive and the array will be fine and I don't suffer from the drastic write speed penalties that RAID 5 has.
This setup is pretty quick. Vista and Linux both start up unbelievably fast.
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i did originally want to do a raid 01, but mister velociraptor is just sexy, and the price is pretty good.
after re considering raid 01 just now, i can for $10 cheaper than the setup in the lists do 4 of these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073
which should be cool and reliable
how complicated it is setting up a raid array? i never did it before.
and NO, i do not require more than this much storage. 1tb is WAY MORE THAN I EVER NEED(2x 500gb HDD's working as a single 1tb hdd, with the same thing as backup..correct?). i have a 232 gb (250-whatever from formatting) HDD, and i have 137gb free. i could go even lower on the storage actually, but the price is right.
*edit* i could lower the price by $40 if i went with the 320gb model, but fuck it, 1tb sounds cooler than 640gb.
and not to mention, i would assume a 7200rpm HDD would run cooler than a 10,000rpm HDD just for the fact that its running slower. but with 4x HDD's...maby that would cancel out the heat output from the velociraptor.
or am i just putting too much thought into this? i mean, if im going to blow over $1500 on a computer, it had better kick ass, and work for a good long time.
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im going to cut costs for this thing
i don't think i require vista 64bit. xp 32bit should be fine. sure it won't read all 4 gigs, but i don't need em.
i MAY pick a lower video card, but other than that, ill have to nitpick. the processor looks good, the motherboard should be fine. my storage/speed HDD combo should be ok. but id LIKE to have the cost under 1300.
i mean, i don't need to run anything awesome. just stuff like WAR, COD 4, fallout 3 on high settings with a 1680x1050 resolution.
main reason for the desire to cut cost, so i can run WAR better(and get the pc sooner). it runs, just when you get to the RVR stuff, it starts chugging.
so yeah, cheaper parts, cheaper parts.
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how complicated it is setting up a raid array? i never did it before.
Generally, about as complicated as formatting the drive.
i don't think i require vista 64bit. xp 32bit should be fine. sure it won't read all 4 gigs, but i don't need em.
Keep in mind that games are starting to ship with 64-bit executables now. Also, 64-bit Windows has gotten really good with Vista. The only thing I even need to jump into a 32-bit Windows to run (running under Virtual PC) is Stars!, a Win16 game. Just about everything else runs fine.
i MAY pick a lower video card, but other than that, ill have to nitpick.
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i mean, i don't need to run anything awesome. just stuff like WAR, COD 4, fallout 3 on high settings with a 1680x1050 resolution.
I can run COD 4 at 1920x1200, fully maxed out, with 4x AA and anisotropic filtering with a single GeForce 9800GTX. Just something to keep in mind.
Bethesda can't make an efficient engine to save their life, so don't count on running Fallout 3 at 1680x1050 with anything. Oblivion hitches occasionally on every system I've run it on, regardless of specs.
As for WAR, being an MMO it's going to be designed to run on as many systems as possible. I don't think you'll have a problem with that.
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Well, oblivion is one thing, but morrowind runs damn fine, even on POS system. Despite the lack of certain things in the morrowind system, I thought that it was rather well executed.
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Well, oblivion is one thing, but morrowind runs damn fine, even on POS system. Despite the lack of certain things in the morrowind system, I thought that it was rather well executed.
Yeah, it runs fairly smoothly if you don't count the numerous bugs that cause the game to crash periodically...
And besides, considering Fallout 3 is based on the Oblivion engine (a fact that's actually relevant to this topic), I highly doubt it's going to run well, even on high-end systems, just like its older brother.
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any pc can run oblivion.
UPDATED
video card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130374
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017
memory- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227267
cd/dvd drive- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152
speed hdd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296
storage hdd- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178
motherboard- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131296
power supply- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256017
case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043
OS- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488
heatsink- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223
arctic silver 5- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100007
$1575
storage hdd(i trust western digital over seagate), and motherboard changed(p45 chipset). added heatsink and arctic silver 5, i hear the Q6600 can easily OC to 3ghz, and im going to do just that.
this build should be final, i doubt i will tweak anything from this. i could go with 1066mhz ram(same brand, same style), but the stuff i picked out is fine, its cheaper, and the timings are better.
unless there's any parts that won't work with what ive picked, this should be a pretty sweet rig when built. i should have the right connectors for everything, i have more than enough power to juice the thing, the motherboard works with what ive picked. unless i overlooked anything, im pretty sure im butter.
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HDD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136322
video card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809
case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160&Tpk=haf
otherwise the previous list is the same, it's been working great thus far.
also, vista isn't too bad. only experience ive had with it prior was on low end laptops. on "good" machines, it works fine. just turn off the thing that asks your permission to do anything "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO OPEN THE PROCESS YOU CLICKED ON? SERIOUSLY ARE YOU SURE IT COULD BE A VIRUS!"
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figured id bump with images. yeah, my sister got a new camera and gave me her old one...hence the pictures.
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3052/img1471aa.jpg)
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2758/img1473v.jpg)
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2673/img1472z.jpg)
ignore the dust, ill have to do some cleaning soon later
but this thing looks pretty cool with the light off, but i don't know how to turn the flash off on this thing so yeah, can't supply image for that. also because of these images i seen that walmart receipt, which was from me buying civ4 and the witcher...back in april.
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Looks pretty sexy! :D How's that baby treatin' you?
Also: nice mousepad.
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lets just say, i don't look at the maximum system requirements for pc games i am interested in. as for the mousepad, a friend of mine pressured me into getting the collectors edition, and im pretty bad on the impulse buying...so there it is.
also, it's fucking nice having actual fans in the case rather than say...having both panels off and an external fan blowing cool air on the innards just so your hdd won't get hot enough to fry an egg. it's not too loud either, i mean, it revs up when you turn it on, but for the most part the fans are fairly quiet. you can hear them, yeah, but they aren't going to bother you, and if you aren't paying attention to them they may as well be mute.
i like it, it was worth nearly most of my paychecks from sep 2008-late december 2008. well...maby mid dec 2008 if i didn't go half and half on an hdtv for the parents for christmas.
i mean, im on my computer A LOT (you may notice i post a lot) so it's nice having a new machine.
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also, it's fucking nice having actual fans in the case rather than say...having both panels off and an external fan blowing cool air on the innards just so your hdd won't get hot enough to fry an egg.
Am I going to have to link YOU to the google study on how hard drives don't die from being hot?
Regardless, I will anyway: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/18/massive-google-hard-drive-survey-turns-up-very-interesting-thing/
PDF link.
http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:q7nqEvSwhZIJ:labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf+google+labs+hard+drive+failure+heat&hl=en&gl=us&pli=1