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The Chatterbox => Computing => Topic started by: NewF on November 03, 2018, 10:46:18 PM
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My old one was like 4 years old. Time for an upgrade.
Let me know if this was a decent deal and if the parts are good or not!
Processor: 3.40 gigahertz AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Eight-Core
Board: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd X370 GAMING PRO CARBON (MS-7A32) 1.0
16GB Gskill TridentZ RGB series ram
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
Coolermaster Dual fan liquid cooler
500GB SSD. (One of those little tiny ones on the motherboard or whatever. Never seen it before)
2.5TB Sata drives (1x2TB, 1x500GB)
All for $1300. Decent deal or no?
And how are the parts? Good quality/long lasting or what?
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I recently put together a new PC.
Processor: Ryzen 1600 6 Core
Board: Asus B350M Gaming-Plus
16GB Gskill ram (no RGB, but it's running at 3200)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070
Stock cooling
Same M.2 style SSD (Evo Pro 960 250gb)
Misc old drives from my old laptops (1tb and 650gb, 650 GB is in poor health with plenty of bad sectors)
And an Acer Predator 1440p Gsync 144hz (OC'd to 165hz) monitor.
I paid significantly more than that price. Good find there.
The processor you have is a pretty big step up from what I have, while the GPU is a pretty big step down from what I have.
I can push games like Borderlands 2 at 1440p to 165hz on... high settings, I think (I don't know how high I can actually push it, since it was limited by vsync). I can run Far Cry 5 on High at 55-65 fps roughly. A 1050 Ti would definitely need lower settings to reach playable framerates on most games. The rig you listed is not particularly powerful when it comes to gaming thanks to the overpowered CPU and underpowered GPU. But for anything that requires some good processing power, you have a pretty beefy CPU. I'd say dropping the CPU down a bit and using that money towards a better GPU would have gotten you some performance in games, but if you're not planning on gaming too hard, and you want the beefier CPU for other workloads then this is good.
(https://tpucdn.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Ti_Gaming_X/images/perfrel_1920_1080.png)
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Fuck! I thought the 1050TI was way better than that! :-/
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I can't say exactly how well it will do. I'm not overly familiar with these cards because I spent the last like 10 years on laptops, so it may do better than I'm giving it credit for. I nearly went with a 1060 instead of 1070, but the 1070 I found was a decent price, so I figured why not.
But yeah your CPU is pretty damn good. I cheaped out on my CPU because I was impatient and didn't want to wait even longer to build the thing, and I figured I could always upgrade later. I don't know if it's gonna be a bottleneck for my system or not. Haven't really tested everything that much.
I'd be interested in what spectere thinks since he's more knowledgeable than I am on this stuff. I might be slightly off on my assessment of things.
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Also, what would you suggest for a new monitor? I wanna get one of those 144hz or whatever they are, I hear they are amazing. Just dunno which one I should get.
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Honestly I was just going for the cheapest 144hz gsync monitor that was at least 1080p. I just happened to check the prices on pcpartpicker and it showed the one I got was 500, which was slightly cheaper tha most 1080p 144hz gsync screens (they seem to start around 550 right now).
If you dont wany gsync, that should shave off around 200 from the price. As for which brands to look for, I really dont know. I know acer predator screens have a pretty good reputation from the bit I've seen out there but I couldnt really recommend anything.
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I was looking at these.
$200 difference between 1080p and 1440p. Not sure which to get though or how much a difference the 1400p and 1080p make.
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824475004&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordsCA-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwordsCA-PC-_-pla-_-Monitors+-+LCD+Flat+Panel-_-N82E16824475004&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2o_fBRC8ARIsAIOyQ-mt_RCsdrUPzZ4mM0_l3als6yZblGXxqpA5_LFY1fBqj5gDpVKPU4saAmtiEALw_wcB
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9H57N03176&Description=1440p%20144hz&cm_re=1440p_144hz-_-24-475-015-_-Product
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My first 2 laptops were both 1366x768, which I used for many years. More recently I was using my GF's laptop which has 1080p and was quite noticeably better, and I noticed immediately just how much nicer it looked. But the move to 1440p just didn't seem to make as much difference as 1366x768 to 1080p did.
Just did a quick look on the panel type (I didn't know anything about VA panels) and it looks like they're not 100% ideal for gaming, at least according to this article (https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1890-panel-comparison-tn-ips-pls-va-crt). Response time seems to be the real issue with those in regards to gaming. But I wouldn't be surprised if 144/160hz on a VA panel is still a better experience than 60hz on and IPS/PLS panel.
Another thing to point out is that they support freesync, which is AMD only (well, more or less, there's a hacky way that you can technically get freesync using a combination of both amd and nvidia cards together), which would end up going to waste since you've got an nvidia card.
And I definitely overestimated my card's power in terms of my borderlands 2 FPS. That said, I have it running at 3620x2036 and downscaling with everything on high and I'm getting like 70-90 fps just walking around (which actually kinda blows my mind).
I just did some quick calculations and this explains why the jump to 1440p for me wasn't something I noticed too much. 1080p on a 17inch screen has a dot pitch of 0.196mm, while 1440p on 23.8inch is 0.206mm. So my GF's laptop actually has a finer dot pitch than my fancy new screen. By a pretty small margin, meaning they're basically the same in terms of sharpness visually. With a larger monitor like those it might actually be worth it to go for the 1440p.
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Well..What would you suggest for an ideal monitor for myself then?
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I wish I could help more, but all I did was pick the cheapest screen that met my criteria on pcpartpicker. I just told it to show me the cheapest screen that was 24inch+, 1080p+, 144hz+ and gsync.
I'd heard some decent things about the predator line from linux tech tips, so I was familiar with the name, but beyond that I haven't used a proper monitor for probably more than 10 years, so there's really not much I can suggest, beyond making a firm decision on which features you feel are the minimum for what you want.
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Looks sharp! And hey, you have my RAM. :P
The only real issue that I can see is that your CPU and GPU are a bit mismatched. If you can, I'd try to trade up the 1050 Ti for at least a 1070/2070. Still, not bad for the price, and you have a solid platform for additional upgrades.
Also, what would you suggest for a new monitor? I wanna get one of those 144hz or whatever they are, I hear they are amazing. Just dunno which one I should get.
144hz displays are really nice if you like smooth gameplay experiences. Even the cursor in Windows looks noticeably smoother at that refresh rate.
Just make sure that you get one that supports G-Sync. 144hz is a hard target to consistently hit, especially on 1440p and up (even with higher end cards) and that feature ensures that you can have tear-free rendering without having to deal with frame rate halving like you would on a standard display with vsync.
I'm a bit too far removed from displays to make an informed recommendation at this time, though. Sorry!
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A 2070? I ain't dropping no $800 on a gfx card anytime soon.
And I'm still unsure of the monitor. Ugh. There's different ones, but not all what I'm wanting.
Looking for something similar to those MSI monitors, 31.5" with gsync, 144Hz. I'm mainly seeing 27" for it :/
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A 2070? I ain't dropping no $800 on a gfx card anytime soon.
Right, I didn't factor in the conversion rate. It's USD$600—still expensive, but not horrible for a solid performing new card.
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Yeah. As of now, the card I got is doing alright with what I play in the meantime. My main focus is the monitor though.....If i were to switch my card to an MSI card, would that MSI monitor be proper for it, or should I still go for that gsync stuff and what not.
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Looking at this one now...Not sure how good it would be.
https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-XB252Q-bmiprz-24-5-inch-1920x1080/dp/B01N34Q6CI?tag=tomshardware-geoca-20&th=1
Acer Predator XB281HK bmiprz 28-inch UHD (3840x2160) NVIDIA G-SYNC Monitor (Display Port & HDMI Port)
Weird thing is....I got to amazon.com for the same monitor and it's even cheaper with the exchange rate.
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XB252Q-bmiprz-24-5-inch-1920x1080/dp/B01N34Q6CI?SubscriptionId=AKIAIPHVZTVH6LZ5BFZA&tag=hawk-future-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01N34Q6LF&ascsubtag=tomshardware-2975408581792588991-20&th=1
479.99 USD = 631.11CAD, yet, on the amazon.ca, it's 799.99. How the fuck does that make sense.
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Problem is that if you buy it on .com, you could be hit with import tariffs. I got hit with an import tariff on my keyboard, which was something like $80 for what was a $200 USD keyboard. With the tariff and exchange rates the damn thing ended up costing me damn near $400 CAD by the end of things, so be careful about ordering anything from a US site if it's available in from a canadian site too (I actually looked for my KB on canadian sites but couldn't find any ones with MX Red switches, which is why I ended up ordering from an american site :/ fuckers)
That said, I have a predator monitor myself, and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Mine's 23.8 inch 1440p, 144hz, gsync.
Gsync means that your monitor and graphics card synchronize updates, so your monitor only updates the image when the GPU is finished rendering a frame. This completely eliminates screen tearing during fast movement. It's a neat feature, really, but it's only really effective if you can't drive a game at whatever framerate you've set the monitor to. It means if you dip below whatever your framerate is, there's no chance that your monitor will get a half finished frame, and the monitor will instead wait for the GPU to render the screen before it updates. If you can hit whatever framerate and hold steady, vsync is perfectly fine.
I don't even take advantage of gsync when I'm playing Osu!, because it's best to keep the game's framerate uncapped because it processes input only when it draws a frame, meaning the more frames it can render, the more accurate it will be at timing your inputs. But on something like say, borderlands 2, which I'm actually running at 3620x2036 and downsampling, it's nice, because I don't hit 144hz at that resolution (usually somewhere around 80-90 fps when running around, not sure what I get in combat, but it's still probably keeping over 60). Only shit thing is that I get the dumb physx color glitch at the bottom of the screen, which seems to be related to resolution from the really quick googling I've done.
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It's weird, because I have never once in my life experienced screen tearing.
Also....If I get a 144hz monitor...Does that mean I need to have my game running at at least 144FPS or something?
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I mean, there's no requirement that you absolutely have to hit the refresh rate of your monitor. Like I said, I only hit like maybe 70-90 fps despite my screen being set to 165hz. If you have a stable refresh rate at or above 144hz that means you'll be getting the most out of the monitor since it'll have a new frame to display every single refresh cycle, making movement as smooth as possible, but anything above 60fps will be an improvement over a 60hz screen.
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It's a neat feature, really, but it's only really effective if you can't drive a game at whatever framerate you've set the monitor to.
I disagree. Tearing can happen at higher framerates as well if the framerate isn't somehow capped. It's the same principle, except that instead of the game drawing, say, two thirds of a frame, it draws, say, 1.25 frames during a refresh cycle. It drives me nuts.
You could get around this with standard Vsync, sure, but then if you drop a single frame below your target, you're suddenly dealing with a halved refresh rate for that given period of time.
It's weird, because I have never once in my life experienced screen tearing.
You might have been running with Vsync on, or the games you play have good limiters. Generally speaking, letting a game run uncapped will lead to tearing. The exact degree of it depends on the game in question.
The worst part about it is that the second you notice it once you can never unsee it.
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Weird that you say that too, because I have literally *never* turn on v-sync. I hated it. Always turned it off and received much better smoothness in all my games. Hahahah.
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Double post........ I have chosen.......
https://caen-store.acer.com/27-predator-xb1-gaming-monitor-xb271hu-abmiprz
Best of both worlds. 27", WQHD, gsync, TN display. (I read up on IPS, but I think TN would be better for gaming, considering the faster response time.
What you guys think. Good choice and price or wha?
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The spectere correction hits again. I'm always forgetting details like that whenever I start talking tech lol.
Looks good newf. I'm enjoying the hell out of mine.
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The spectere correction hits again. I'm always forgetting details like that whenever I start talking tech lol.
8)
It's mostly just because I have to deal with that annoying tightrope walk constantly, really. I use a 4K 60hz non-GSync TV attached to a 1080 Ti, and trying to reduce tearing from both being over and under target has morphed me into a bitter, cantankerous asshat.
That said, at least it's not as irritable as an SLI setup. Whew.
I am planning to jump back to a more traditional setup so that I can better take advantage of my hardware (still trying to decide between 1440p/144hz and 4K/60hz, since 4K/144hz is just too goddamn expensive right now) but I have to shuffle a lot of things around to be able to start building my ideal setup.
https://caen-store.acer.com/27-predator-xb1-gaming-monitor-xb271hu-abmiprz
Best of both worlds. 27", WQHD, gsync, TN display. (I read up on IPS, but I think TN would be better for gaming, considering the faster response time.
What you guys think. Good choice and price or wha?
Lookin' good!
As far as TN vs IPS, I always choose the latter. It's true that TN does have a slightly faster pixel response, but IPS is more than good enough for gaming and has the advantage of having a ludicrously good viewing angle. The only real artifact with IPS displays is that you can see the backlight ("IPS Glow") if you view dark scenes at an extreme angle, but you generally have to try to see this effect. With TN panels, the colors will wash out, even with fairly minor adjustments in your vertical viewing angle. This is generally far more noticeable with laptops than a properly configured desktop, but I still notice it on my system at work (I have one TN panel and two IPS panels, because consistency is overrated I guess). It might just be me being picky and pedantic, but I can very quickly spot even a modern TN panel due to how the color shifts when I simply bob my head up and down even very slightly.
IPS also allows for more accurate color representation than TN, so bear that in mind if you plan to do anything artsy. As a result, they also make games look freaking gorgeous, particularly if they have a higher contrast art style (think Blizzard titles, Borderlands, etc).
That said, there is definitely a price premium if you jump up to IPS. I think it's worth it, personally, but YMMV.
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Isn't this monitor IPS? It says IPS when you scroll down below....?
Also...When I look on Amazon here....The IPS monitor is cheaper than the TN....?
Im confused now.
https://www.amazon.ca/Acer-XB252Q-bmiprz-24-5-inch-1920x1080/dp/B06ZXZ3QBD?SubscriptionId=AKIAIPHVZTVH6LZ5BFZA&tag=hawk-future-ca-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01N34Q6LF&ascsubtag=tomshardware-1426061090032854293-20&th=1
Click the WQHD, it's $870. Click the WQHD IPS, It's $749.99
But honestly...Would the IPS make THAT much of a difference for gaming and stuff?
Because I don't even see the IPS one available on the acer website. Even though the once I chose said TN, but down below it says IPS. so which is it? Agh!
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Nevermind, found it.
https://caen-store.acer.com/27-predator-xb1-gaming-monitor-xb271hu-abmiprz - TN
https://caen-store.acer.com/27-predator-gaming-monitor-xb271hu-bmiprz - IPS
An extra $50 for the IPS. I'd be fine with that. As long as it's 100% guaranteed better and also perform as good with the response time and stuff, then hell yeah, I'll wait till Black Friday and get it.
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Also...When I look on Amazon here....The IPS monitor is cheaper than the TN....?
Im confused now.
It's because the TN monitor is only available from a third-party seller (at a price closer to what I assume was its original MSRP). That's Amazon's fallback if their warehouses don't have any in stock.
But honestly...Would the IPS make THAT much of a difference for gaming and stuff?
Whether you can tolerate TN's shortcomings or not is kind of a subjective thing. That said, even before I used an IPS display I hated how little head movements would cause colors to shift drastically. While they've improved somewhat, even the modern TN panel that I use at work (and the one that was in my old ASUS ROG laptop) look terrible if it's not lined up nearly perfectly. The displays that I use at work aren't really anything special, either. They're just normal low-end business class Dell displays, yet even within the same class IPS looks significantly better than TN.
As far as response times are concerned, while I haven't used a 144hz display for any personal tasks, I've played fast-paced games on both my laptop (4K 60hz IPS panel) and iMac (1440p 60hz IPS panel) and there was no observable blurring or smearing even when I played stuff like Quake 3. Even with the cheap panels that I use at work, moving a black box along a white background (about the most intense stress test you can perform) produced fairly minimal smearing on the 8ms IPS display, and the 5ms response time of the TN panel (still higher than the Acer) made it even less noticeable. With 8ms it's noticeable, but when you start pushing 5ms and lower you get to the point where you have to specifically look for it to be able to spot it.
As far as the response times are concerned, the TN panel you linked has a 1ms response time and the IPS one is rated for 4ms, both measured for gray-to-gray transitions. 144hz translates to one frame every 6.94ms, so unless you're alternating between all-black and all-white frames at 144hz the IPS panel is going to be able to keep up with what it's getting fed. While technically the image is going to be "fully formed" a bit faster on the TN panel, I really dubious as to whether any would really be able to perceive a difference between the two, especially when you factor in fun little human qualities like persistence of vision (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_of_vision) (this is the phenomenon that causes you to see, for example, multiple copies of your cursor when you move it across the screen, even on CRT displays).
Really, modern LCD panels, especially ones intended for gaming, are so close that it's usually just becomes a spec race. If I were currently in the market for a display I would go IPS all the way for the sake of both quality and convenience.
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Done. I'll get the IPS one. For an extra 50 bucks, why the hell not.
Hopefully it drops to a good price for Black Friday. *Fingers crossed*
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Woo! Hope you like it (and can get a killer deal). ;D
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Well....This is kinda fucked.
Was waiting for the black Friday sale...And now the monitor has gone UP in price from $749.99 to $899.99?
Why....?
https://caen-store.acer.com/27-predator-gaming-monitor-xb271hu-bmiprz
But now.....THIS one is on sale...How is THIS monitor?
UGH! I hate all this shopping around, lol.
https://caen-store.acer.com/offers/predator-z1-monitor-z271-tbmiphzx-27h
Edit 3 - FUCK IT! Went on Amazon and bought it. $855.40 after taxes n all that.Ugh. I hope this monitor is worth it.
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Yeah, persistence of vision is a bitch for stuff like say, playing osu!mania, like I do.
The 165hz refresh is definitely noticeable compared to 60 when playing mania, but since it's a light note on black background (for highest contrast), there's still some pretty noticeable POV effects. Still, it's definitely better than 60hz was.
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Well....This is kinda fucked.
Was waiting for the black Friday sale...And now the monitor has gone UP in price from $749.99 to $899.99?
Wow. That is fucked. D: My sympathies.
The other one you linked would have been a noticeable step down, btw (only 1080p instead of 1440p, which is a pretty significant resolution hit), so you were better off going with the pricier one.
Yeah, persistence of vision is a bitch for stuff like say, playing osu!mania, like I do.
The 165hz refresh is definitely noticeable compared to 60 when playing mania, but since it's a light note on black background (for highest contrast), there's still some pretty noticeable POV effects. Still, it's definitely better than 60hz was.
That's one thing I always miss about CRTs. The CRT that I used to play StepMania on back in the day was capable of a 200hz refresh rate (up to 800x600, I think). It's also capable of syncing and legibly displaying 1920x1080 at 60hz (though obviously you'd need to manually letterbox the image to correct the aspect ratio).
I still have that sucker--it's connected to my retro PC. It's amazing how much of a difference pushing up the refresh rate makes even with normal desktop apps. I'm running Windows 98 SE on that box and generally keep the display at 1024x768 at 85hz (if I push it beyond that I have to start tweaking alignment whenever it drops to 70hz for full screen DOS titles) and the cursor motion is noticeably smoother than it is on my 60hz LCD panels. I love it.
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Well in the end, I bought the bmiprz. Waiting for it to be shipped.
It better be worth the $855 I spent on it. Goddamn it. Lol.
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Now that I’ve gotten this monitor..... should I end up upgrading my graphics card or wha....?
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It kind of depends, really. What games do you plan on playing with it? Are you mostly focusing on slightly older competitive titles or are you looking for something to run newer games with fancier graphics?
If it's mostly going to be the former, the 1050 Ti should do a very respectable job driving that display. If you're looking at the latter, I'd try to trade up to at least a 1070/2070 down the road. That'll give you a much better shot of being able to maintain 1440p with over 60 fps on newer releases.
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Holy fuck this shit is smooth. But I think I *do* need to get a new gfx card. Can only run overwatch with the 144fps on medium or high :-/
Maybe I should invest in a 1070ti. Just wondering, which brand? Should I go with MSI?
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Mindless Self Indulgence is always a good choice. ;)
Seriously though, yeah, MSI makes good shit. Additionally, my last three (well, technically four...) cards (680, 2 x 980, 1080 Ti) have all been EVGA and I've had very good experiences with all them as well. My old 680 and both 980s are still being as daily drivers to this day. I don't think the individual manufacturer makes as much of a difference now as it used to, to be honest. The main difference between them that I see are the specific coolers they use and how aggressive the factory overclocking is on models that feature that.
The 1070 Ti and 1080 would both be very solid choices. If the 1070 Ti is in your price range, go for it. If you can find a refurbed or clearance 1080 for a better prices, you're going to get slightly better performance (we're talking 5% or less, so don't break your back for it) out of it (bear in mind that they're no longer manufacturing the 1080).