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Retired => Retired Boards => |)|)R FR3|< => Topic started by: annon on December 06, 2008, 03:31:27 AM
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Good places to start: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11211.0 and http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1264
Basically a forum for people who believe in a conspiracy theory bigger and more complex than is statistically possible.
Here's a map for reference:
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e305/flying_leaf/test1.jpg)
And some quotes from the believers themselves:
Flatearthersareretards, I've decided that you're a government shill, spreading lies and discontent in the ranks of the beievers, and thus anything you say is invalid. "Friends" flying from Australia to Africa through "Antarctica", psssh, your imaginary words don't fool me.
However, on the note of Occam's Razor; nice metaphore (analogy?). There are only specific instances in which you can apply Occam's Razor, it only comes into practice when a sufficient theory has something added to it which does not improve its predictive power. Otherwise I could say the following:
There are two theories as to how people live:
A) We are kept alive by a complicated system of veins, nerves, organs, etc.
B) Magic
Ergo, by Occam's razor, people are kept alive by magic
Granted this isn't a great example, but I think it kinda gets the point across.
I'm working on the next version, which will have a little more details, if people would agree to the validity of the following:
The current FET should use a modified "geocentric" universe in that the center of the universe is an invisible point above the North Pole, except that the Sun also has an epicycle of North-South drift, creating seasons and 24-hour days in the Arctic circle (unfortunately not so for the Antarctic, but since it doesn't exist, nobody's hurt).
Of course any geocentrism has problems, but let's not discuss it here. This rendering is meant to be the defining picture of FET. An accurate rendition of something flawed is obviously going to contain the flaws, and perhaps magnify them.
These renderings have me wondering, do FE'ers believe that the map, as accepted today (shape notwithstanding, obviously, but with 7 continents, 5 oceans, etc.) is accurate? If the globe is wrong, why not the continents on it?
Because the United Nations flag shows all the continents (except the fictitious Antarctica) and oceans. Don't ask; just thinking about the astronomical degree of stupidity required for this sort of reasoning makes me nauseous.
-Erasmus
lol A smaller sun *laughs*
You're right, this is just ridiculous, I mean, we've all been to the sun and seen just how big it is haven't we? How could anyone believe that the sun isn't the size scientists say it is? I mean they're scientists...with lab coats and stuff...
These are just quotes from defenders, and if you go through some threads you'll see it seems they're vastly outnumbered, so it's not quite as bad as it looks. They're still using the same dodgy argument strategy that creationism proponents use ("I'm right." "Fuck evidence." "Your argument is invalid because I say so." "I'm going to pick apart your statement because of how it was phrased." etc.). There's no use in arguing with them, but roughly 9/10 of their members (from what I've seen) disagree. I like how Phil Plait of BadAstronomy puts it:...[M]ost scientists find pseudoscientists to be very irritating. Sometimes it's because the pseudoscientists attack the work being done by real scientists, and sometimes it's because real scientists get tired of being asked about aliens, UFOs, Planet X and the Apollo Hoax. In fact, many real scientists think that pseudoscientists should be ignored. They reason that they don't want to give these guys publicity, and that taking them on legitimizes their theories.
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Stickied because that site embodies this section of the forums. Seriously, this is gold. This is exactly why this section was created. ;D
I almost want to troll that forum but I seriously can't think of anything that could possible make it look any more ridiculous.
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Horse porn....er I mean...have them convinced that the 3 little pigs is about the second comming of Jesus?
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Horse porn....er I mean...have them convinced that the 3 little pigs is about the second comming of Jesus?
You mean the second and third comings ;)
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I'm somewhat curious as to how they can explain seasons, but I'm even more curious as to what they think is on the edge of the world.
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The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.
Here are some very good diagrams of seasons on the flat Earth.
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5783/flatearthqq1.png)
(http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3857/feseasonsoy5.png)
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There is a vast ice wall at then end of the Earth. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.
Antarctica as a continent does not exist.
Furthermore, it is is unknown what is underneath the Earth. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.
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I'm curious if they can explain why a flight from California to Japan takes roughly as long as a flight from Argentina to New Zealand without the word "conspiracy."
Also, I love how they try to counter the "Occam's Razor" argument by saying that the RE theory has holes just like the FE theory. And that they still can't come up with a legitimate reason as to why it would be hidden that the earth is flat. (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=6308.0)
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I loled. I like how the sun orbits the new earth, makes perfect sense.
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I'm thinking about registering under the name Mr. Round Earth. Then just coming up with factual stuff as well as my own made up stuff that blows them all away...but then again they may just be as stupid as they are in the quotes.
The topic will be called Round Earth, Not Flat.
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And your avatar has to be this:
(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2863/1184774658kwo233sk0.jpg)
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find one that doesn't have a fugly watermark in the middle of it :(
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http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=25285.0
For anyone who wants to log onto my name it is Mr. Round Earth and the password is Equator.
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I added
Point #8:
You say that the Earth and all celestial bodies are accelerating upwards at 1g, but it's been shown in tests that you could run yourselves that gravity isn't uniform across Earth. Also, what would be causing everything to be accelerated upwards? God?
Point #9:
Where's your evidence?
EDIT: I was given this link for evidence: LOLOLOLOL (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm)
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I added
I'm going to love seeing all of the added points by everyone on here and the idiotic replies which sound good with all of the lingo that says stuff but doesn't mean anything at all.
And I truly like my analogies to insaneness...don't you?
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find one that doesn't have a fugly watermark in the middle of it :(
If such a thing existed I would have linked to it instead. :|
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EDIT: I was given this link for evidence: LOLOLOLOL (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm)
Gotta love that Zetetic sun.....what the hell is a Zetetic sun anyway???? I don't even want to read it....and they really didn't refute any of the points on the post.
Thanks for the comments. Now please leave.
Or what? Spam my e-mail? ha, I use that e-mail pretty much only for spam...and to do stuff like this. Ban me??? ha, like I care, name #2 coming right up after this one goes down....I got a whole list for you morons.
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I think one of the funny things is that even if the sun was a spotlight, as it set, it would just become more elliptical. Night wouldn't actually happen, it would just look like a glowing ellipse was at the horizon all night and the sky would be red. Wait, bendy light. Forgot about that.
I'm not going to try and argue with these dumbfucks anymore. I've been trying for a long time to accept that some people are uncorrectably wrong and I shouldn't try to change their ways if they aren't hurting anyone, but IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO THINK LIKE THAT WHEN I'M AT THAT SITE. Someone else take over, because I don't want to sacrifice my patience for a site like this.
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I think one of the funny things is that even if the sun was a spotlight, as it set, it would just become more elliptical. Night wouldn't actually happen, it would just look like a glowing ellipse was at the horizon all night and the sky would be red. Wait, bendy light. Forgot about that.
I'm not going to try and argue with these dumbfucks anymore. I've been trying for a long time to accept that some people are uncorrectably wrong and I shouldn't try to change their ways if they aren't hurting anyone, but IT'S SO HARD FOR ME TO THINK LIKE THAT WHEN I'M AT THAT SITE. Someone else take over, because I don't want to sacrifice my patience for a site like this.
Well, I'm still in the stage of "people are morons, and sometims they decide to believe fake things, such as scientology. these fake things need to be removed, so that morons can at least believe in things that are correct."
Or something like that, it's 6 AM and I've hardly slept. I'm going back to try to sleep again. Fuck those retards.
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The eath is flat, and you are stupid.
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The eath is flat, and you are stupid.
Complete, undeniable evidence!!!! the funny thing is that they haven't even given any REAL arguments against any point that I nor any other who logged onto my name made.
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Interesting how all of his [coherent] questions were answered simply by rereading the FAQ... ::)
hmmm....I don't see how that is, because none of you, nor the FAQ, has proven anything that deems it otherwise that the Earth is not round.
Also, my great uncle was friends with Neil Armstrong who had brought back pictures of the Earth with him so I think its pretty safe (and legitimate) to say that the Earth is round and you just lost THE GAME!
Now I had to pull out my major weapon on them...not my biggest, but my major weapon.
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I have to laugh at the "bendy light" stuff. Sure, as I pointed out on that site, light does indeed bend. What it does not do is bend without a proper reason.
High levels of gravity can bend light. Light also refracts when moving from material to material because of the difference in speed between those materials. But light does NOT mysteriously bend for no reason. If it did, scientists all over the world would have tried to explain it.
And on the note of scientists all over the world, I would have to say that if there is one thing that disproves flat earth beliefs, it is this: For the earth to be flat, it would require a HUGE portion of physics and math to be completely wrong. And yet, many of those same mathematical proofs, and physics theories are perfectly capable of describing our world. I mean, spherical mathematics alone essentially proves the earth is roughly round, not to mention all the other physics theories that in some way require earth to be round (such as most stuff dealing with astrophysics, to name a small example).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect
That's more than enough proof to disprove everything they 'believe' in. Although of course I'm not doubting their ability to bullshit their way through any possible hole.
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Haha, yeah, I forgot that meteorology could also completely disprove flat earth theories too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect
That's more than enough proof to disprove everything they 'believe' in. Although of course I'm not doubting their ability to bullshit their way through any possible hole.
Mainly they'll say its just false data that was faked by the NASA conspiracy...dumb really.
I've started to bring in the erosion factor as well as the animal migration over lands. Also they have yet to say anything at all against anyone's points except that they have flase data and nothing can be proven pretty much. I'm thinking about taking something from history before humans by using dinosaurs and a meteor, or using Pythagoras' "theory" which was proven and destroy any hope they have of doubting it but we all know that they, again, will be, excuse my language, dumbfuckshitcantwatlickers, and say something that is stupid.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
This at least shows that the earth is spinning. If their earth model is spinning, the oceans would all flow toward the "ice wall" and eventually overflow, so for everything to stay, it would need to be shaped more like a paraboloid. So either the Foucault pendulum is the result of "bendy physics" or the earth isn't flat.
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Haha, bendy physics. Yeah, I recently saw something about that as well. Of course, they wouldn't claim that it's a product of bendy physics, they'd just say that the scientists are in on it, and lying to us, and that test never happened.
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they'd just say that the scientists are in on it.
Yeah, them and all of the grandfather clocks in the world.
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Yeah, them and all of the grandfather clocks in the world.
EXACTLY!
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9 years later and they still goin