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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2007, 01:33:26 AM »
Heh, that's not a bad gig.

So, uh, think he could hook me up with a free SPARC workstation? ;)
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2007, 01:34:07 AM »
Haha, yeah, a free SPARC workstation would be pretty cool, lol.
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2007, 01:41:04 AM »
I have no clue what you guys are talking about, but I have seen a portable server the size of a freight train. My dad also brings home random shit, like the shitty little server he brought home. I need to inspect this piece of shit now.


EDIT: hey nerds, tell me what this does  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_Qube, because I have one.
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2007, 01:53:32 AM »
Like the others have said:  tested personally as well by me.  I put the BootNnuke on a flash drive, loaded that sucker up, boom. HD obliterated.  Tried to install windows, no.  Tried to install Fedora, no. Ubuntu, no. HD generally fucked.  Bought a new HD.  Loaded ubuntu right on. Boom

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This is a laptop that had been dropped, thus damaging the HD in some way, also, When it DID have windows on it originally, it reacted the same way as you have described.  So get a cheap HD, install windows.  Throw that other one out the window, unless you want to buy a special HD clearing magnet which I am sure costs more than a HD you could just replace.
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2007, 02:56:23 AM »
Well, if I make a bootable CD I'll have to go buy some CDs, I don't have any blanks around, lol, only DVDs, and that comp doesn't have a DVD drive.

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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2007, 03:33:03 AM »
First off, I'm not going through and installing linux because 1) my mom would say no, because she is semi-computer literate, she can do some stuff on her own fine, but swithing to linux would royally fuck her up, 2) I'm not going through the bother of it.
Most linux distros have been completely non-bothersome for some time. I used to be a vehement linux abhorrer. Then I tried Ubuntu for a week. A lot of vehement linux haters are converted by this process, or so I hear. The dumb-fuck fags in #gay on Austnet have started switching to Ubuntu. The 'linux is very hard to use, or so i hear' argument is becoming increasingly irrelevant. There are also several window managers and desktop-environment tweaks to get things looking and working exactly like windows.

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The hell does that mean? Sounds like a mindless windows bashing comment to me, and though I agree windows has it's flaws, I use it, so I can't complain too much. (And I kept mine running virus free for over 6 months with NO antivirus whatsoever, until my brother infected it.)
No, that was more of an 'I know you pirate software. This saddens me. Why not try the equivalent software that does essentially the same job and sometimes better for the same price economically and cheaper, ethically' comment.

And I don't appreciate the 'mindless window bashing' comment you made there. I may make a lot of rash decisions, but my opinion on operating systems is pretty rock solid and justified. I've installed windows a few times since switching permanently to linux and each time I give it a good chance to prove its worth. Each time, in under a week, I switch back because it becomes clear how agonizing windows can be, and needlessly so when I have a better alternative. I'm not being elitist, I'm just attempting to spread the lurve.

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The main thing the computer is used for is A) browsing real estate websites, one of which requires some IE specific scripting to work, so we need IE (she knows FF is safer, but can't use the site in it.) B) emails, which I'm really going to try to get her to use something either than outlook for, and other misc sites and such. She really doesn't use it for much else.
msie6 runs superbly in wine, and doesn't drag everything else around it into a pit of crash when you try to do something nasty like WGA. As far as I can tell, most email clients (though I use web-based ones usually) are generally modelled after outlook. In under an hour you could probably pick up the basics.

Now, I was just making a suggestion here - I'd appreciate some tolerance over a person's opinions that aren't your own.

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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2007, 04:04:48 AM »
EDIT: hey nerds, tell me what this does  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_Qube, because I have one.

IT'S CUTE.

It's described as a "server appliance," which I believe is sort of like a server without the hassle and drudge-work -- you tell it what you want it to run, do some quick configuration work, and it does it.

The 'linux is very hard to use, or so i hear' argument is becoming increasingly irrelevant. There are also several window managers and desktop-environment tweaks to get things looking and working exactly like windows.

The real issue that Linux still has is that no matter how much window dressing you throw on it you'll still run into problems when people try to install things that aren't in their distro.  For someone like you or me, doing "./configure && make && sudo make install" is simple, but not for everyone.  Debian and its derivatives still have their share of dependency hell issues, especially when dealing with third-party repositories and the like.  You should have seen the absolute hell I went through when I made the mistake of adding an unstable apt source on my laptop when I tried putting Debian back on it a few days ago (before quickly rushing back to the sanity of Gentoo...should have known better than to try to go bleeding edge on Debian, of all distros).

Linux works great when you get it working, the issues that many would-be Linux users typically involve doing things that their distro doesn't directly support.  When you get to that point, things tend to just go into a downwards spiral because there's very little in the *nix world that's consistent across even the same base product.

One of the biggest advantages of Windows is that you can just sit down in front of a system and be able to easily use it.  While there have been some changes since Windows 95 came out, all of the versions from Windows 95 to XP all handle basically the same.  With *nix, you might use KDE while your friend uses GNOME while his friend uses Enlightenment while his girlfriend uses Xfce while her mum uses WindowMaker while her Solaris-using husband clings to his old-school CDE desktop and his dog has Fluxbox installed in his food dish.  While KDE and GNOME share a lot of similarities (I find that going from one to the other is about as significant of a change as going from Windows to Mac OS -- different, but similar), many of the other environments use wildly different design principals from the next and, taking that idea one step further, many of them are so customizable that, despite the fact that you might be going from one Fluxbox-powered setup to the next, it's going to look, feel, and behave a lot differently.

It's both good and bad -- good because you can have your computer do what you want it to do, bad because there is no consistency and, in many cases, far too many options for your average Joe to wrap their head around.

msie6 runs superbly in wine

So does Office 2003...heh.

and doesn't drag everything else around it into a pit of crash when you try to do something nasty like WGA.

Honestly, I don't recall ever having IE crash in recent history.  It has a long way to go before it's standards compliant, but it isn't all that crash-happy in my experience (and, seeing as I've had to do online classes that require the use of IE, I'd say I have a fair amount of experience with it).

As far as I can tell, most email clients (though I use web-based ones usually) are generally modelled after outlook. In under an hour you could probably pick up the basics.

It's not always that simple.  One of Outlook's chief advantages is that it interoperates with the other Office applications.  It's also a bit more than just an e-mail client -- it's sort of like a desktop version of Palm OS, with contacts lists, a lovely appointment calendar, to-do lists, et cetera.  About the only single-application solution that I can think of that could possibly be a true substitute for it is Evolution (I believe KDE has the same functionality, but if I remember correctly it isn't a tight, integrated interface -- they're all separate applications).
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2007, 04:12:26 AM »
I've used linux before, so I know what I'm getting into, but honestly, my mom just wants her computer back the way it was, or as close to it as she can get. She would just flat out refuse to switch even if I made every argument I could. Plus, the simple process of running IE6 in wine would piss my mom off.

And for your information, as many problems as I see in windows, I simply like the interface better; I'm too accustomed to it. And personally, this computer runs like a charm. Plus, I like winamp, lol, and wine doesn't. Though overall, I would actually be running linux right now if x windows didn't hate my monitor and refuse to work properly with it, and actually refuse to even load up automatically (and I don't like rummaging around in console linux unless I need to.)

The whole point about why I'm not going to switch my mom over is that she simply won't. I could possibly persuade her, but I'd have to spend more time showing her how to do everything all over again, and I HATE trying to teach my mom to do something on the computer. I HATE working with her and a computer in the same room for that matter. I just want to get this over with, because as far as I'm concerned, I never want to fix anyone else's computer again. I'm sick of being the only person who can fix things around here, but nobody else cares enough to learn, so I'm fucked, since we can't afford to send it away.

Spec has hit the nail on the head with that one. And my mom does use that contact list option (which ended up getting wiped accidentally when I had it backed up on a thumb drive I accidentally formatted at the same time as the hard drive)
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2007, 05:50:01 AM »
When I call msie6 unstable I'm talking about the fun time I had last installing XP. The first thing to crash was internet explorer. While I was installing updates. The only other thing that was running was a backgrounded instance of firefox- this for some reason killed explorer and froze the system pleasantly enough that I could escape by manually killing the process. Which is of course, infinitely less convenient than doing exactly the same thing in linux. -_-

I recommend Ubuntu over Debian to new folker because despite being practically the same damn thing, Ubuntu actually does a professional job of maintaining repositories and ironing out kinks in the package management system. The 'click, click, close' method is brilliant. I prefer Debian for a lot of tasks, but the two (again, despite being practically identical) are incomparable when it comes to things like desktop performance and ease of use.

Back to internet explorer, when installing programs using the windows installer in wine, you still get icons on the desktop and in the 'start' menu. The Ubuntu developers have made a lot of efforts to crush any need for a console, ever. 7.10 goes even further with things like 'bullet-proof x'.

Also, I've seen winamp running in wine perfectly, but when you've got something like Amarok there's really no need for it.

Out of interest, what was wrong with your monitor? I deal with a lot of completely obscure and bizarre hardware including monitors and I've never had X just quit over it. Are you sure it wasn't a video card issue?

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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2007, 06:35:02 AM »
I'm running an Asus AL1916W widescreen monitor witht he default resolution 1440x900 and for some reason whenever I try to get x windows to work, my monitor is blank and says something about no signal, or some such message (it's been a while, and I don't want to wait 2 years for grub to load so I can check out the message)

Oh, and when I'd tried to get winamp to work in wine, it complained about missing a DLL (some sound related one) and it looked like ass (windows95 grey instead of the default black/green style)
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2007, 03:22:22 PM »
IT'S CUTE.

Hahah, that's exactly what I thought, I was like "donno, but it looks cool!"

Also linux guys: does Ubuntu have Beryl support? Because nothing gives me a hardon for linux like Beryl.

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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2007, 05:51:30 PM »
When I call msie6 unstable I'm talking about the fun time I had last installing XP. The first thing to crash was internet explorer. While I was installing updates.

Yeah, I've never had that happen before. :/  Are you sure there wasn't a problem with the hardware?

Out of interest, what was wrong with your monitor? I deal with a lot of completely obscure and bizarre hardware including monitors and I've never had X just quit over it. Are you sure it wasn't a video card issue?

Like having an ATI card and trying to use the binary drivers. ;_;

Also linux guys: does Ubuntu have Beryl support? Because nothing gives me a hardon for linux like Beryl.

I'd imagine -- I've heard of a lot of Ubuntu users that used it.

Last time I tried it, Beryl and X.org compositing is viciously unstable.  I've tried it on several systems and it's pretty much guaranteed to hard-lock at least once every couple of days.
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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2007, 12:48:25 AM »
I can't even use this computer to place dban on a disk anyway. I disconnected my floppy drive a while ago, and even though I reconnected it and my computer says nothing's wrong, it doesn't work, lol. (and that computer is kinda fucked, so it kinda eliminates that option as well, lol)

DBAN has ISOs as well, if you have a CD-ROM drive... her computer DOES have one of those, doesn't it? :D

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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2007, 01:54:27 AM »
Ubuntu 7.04 (the current version) ships with 'desktop effects', which is compiz. It works pretty sweetly, but because it's still new software it's not enabled by default. To enable, you go through the tricky process of system > preferences > desktop effects > yes.

Ubuntu 7.10 is going to ship with 'compiz fusion', which as I understand it is a reunion of compiz and beryl. It's enabled by default, so I'd assume the rigorous testing would say it's pretty damn stable now. Dunno about the ATi crap though. :P

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Re: My mom's computer sucks, help me fix it.
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2007, 02:35:47 AM »
Oh, cool. Any like, real set time on the 7.10 release, then? Because that'd save me the trouble of configuration D: