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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2021, 11:15:24 PM »
Windows has had me wanting a replacement OS for a few years now, but I do not understand software enough to understand why there isn't a replacement for windows for gaming or something. The way I use a computer is more or less, I don't need a computer unless I want to type something, and also gaming. If I don't need to type something, or if I don't need to play something on PC, I kinda don't need a computer/windows. If I could run ALL my games on...not windows, I would do so.

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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2021, 09:22:02 AM »
Windows kinda has that nice blend of market share (by a healthy margin), performance, and open hardware support (at least until Windows 11 locks that down).

Like, Linux has the benefit of running on just about everything, but its windowing system is probably its most limiting factor. X was originally written to support networked display terminals, and the sheer number of gross hacks it's collected over the years are a testament to that. Wayland, its slated replacement, still has enough outstanding issues that I can't even use it for my work system, let alone a gaming rig.

macOS has performance down pat (no joke, I was using an iMac--running macOS--as my main gaming rig for a while, with Steam in-home streaming filling in the gaps), but there are a few issues there. The first and most obvious one is that they've largely left compatibility behind, what with them phasing out 32-bit and eventually switching away from Intel-compatible processors. This isn't a bad thing by any stretch, considering their $700 Mac Minis now easily rival $2000 PCs in computational power, but it does mean that a lot of titles got left in the dust. The other is that due to Apple's chosen form factor you can't just plonk a 3060 in one of their rigs (unless you're running a Mac Pro) and call it a day. eGPU solutions exist (at least for Intel Macs) but that tends to be an imperfect and expensive solution.

Windows has leading market share, offers solid performance, and allows PCs to have just about any configuration. Furthermore, unlike Linux, devs don't have to worry about users using--for example--a completely different sound system than what they're expecting. It's just one of those cases where the alternatives are just too much of a hassle to support in many cases. Engines like Unity smooth over a lot of that, but even then there are a bunch of weird, random issues. Even simple games like Undertale require additional work and testing to properly support Linux and macOS due to some gaps in GameMaker's OS support (from memory, there are/were some issues when you first enter Alphys's lab on non-Windows builds).

Of course, with Windows 11 they're so eager to copy Apple's aggressive deprecation stance (oh, and they finally ripped off their rounded window borders) that Microsoft basically told people with 5 year old CPUs to go fuck themselves. Considering macOS Big Sur still happily runs on 2013 hardware (and earlier, albeit with minor issues) that seems just a tiny bit absurd. Oh, then there's the fact that the UI is such trash that I legit thought it was a 2010-era Android launcher with a Windows skin on it when I saw screenshots of it.
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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2021, 06:07:14 PM »
Microsoft basically told people with 5 year old CPUs to go fuck themselves.
Correction: my i7-7700 that's barely over 4 years old isn't supported by Windows 11, and apparently some 8th gen processors from early 2018 also aren't supported, so it's more like 3-3.5 years  8)

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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2021, 10:13:06 AM »
Correction: my i7-7700 that's barely over 4 years old isn't supported by Windows 11, and apparently some 8th gen processors from early 2018 also aren't supported, so it's more like 3-3.5 years  8)

Oh shit, you're right. For some reason my geriatric millennial brain thought that the 8th gen CPUs came out in 2016.

I know the Dell chonkbook I bought in late 2016 isn't supported. 6th Gen Core i7 CPU...LOL, who even has one of those, am I right?
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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2021, 10:02:02 PM »
Will my Ryzen 7 1700x be supported by Windows 11? If so, ok. If not, I don't care and fuck Windows 11. Lol.

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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2021, 11:58:31 PM »
Will my Ryzen 7 1700x be supported by Windows 11?

Nope, at least not with the current supported CPU list. Only the Ryzen 2xxx series and up are supported because...reasons? Their hardware support seems arbitrary as fuck.

Supposedly (in the current beta, anyway) it'll just tell you it's not supported and run anyway, but who knows what the final release is going to do.

fuck Windows 11

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Re: The Thread of Excessive Rage
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2021, 11:28:23 PM »
How to get taken advantage of: say the words, "Yeah, I'm pretty good with computers."
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