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Re: Web Browser Bitch Fest (also: Kuro's gay code)
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2008, 05:09:40 PM »
Ok, lets just end this bickering and finally agree that safari Konqueror is the best browser and anyone who doesn't agree is actually just overwhelmed with jealousy.

Fixed.

I wasn't referring to IE8 there, I was saying IE has a history of sucking.

IE4 and IE5 were the best browsers around when they was released.

IE7 has no real memory management system. It leave everything you've ever viewed in that session in memory till IE closes.

IE never EVER did that.  Where on earth did you hear that?

It's not the best when it comes to memory usage, but it would never work on low-end systems running XP (think systems with 128-256MB of RAM) if that were the case.
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Re: Web Browser Bitch Fest (also: Kuro's gay code)
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2008, 05:15:39 PM »
How do you explain this graph?


This graph was generated by one of the FF devs in testing to see which of those browsers cleans up it's memory well. You can clearly see that IE7 does not clear anything, and just continually eats up more memory. Sure, it doesn't tell you the amount of time it took to get there, but anyone who browses for a few hours can manage to view a LOT of pages, over quite some time, and that could almost match the sort of use they were trying for here.

http://blog.pavlov.net/2008/03/11/firefox-3-memory-usage/
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Re: Web Browser Bitch Fest (also: Kuro's gay code)
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2008, 07:10:12 PM »
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Re: Web Browser Bitch Fest (also: Kuro's gay code)
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2008, 07:18:22 PM »
Yeah, found that when I was looking for more info on why FF3 was gonna be so great.
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Re: Web Browser Bitch Fest (also: Kuro's gay code)
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2008, 03:53:54 AM »
This graph was generated by one of the FF devs in testing to see which of those browsers cleans up it's memory well. You can clearly see that IE7 does not clear anything, and just continually eats up more memory.

Tell me, how exactly do you know what's going on?  Did you see the source?  Analyze it yourself with a memory viewer?  No, you saw a graph representing the memory usage of a browser and drew your own wild, totally off-base conclusions.

The problem is not that IE7 is "keeping web pages in RAM," it's because of the way IE handles multiple browser objects.  If IE kept all pages in RAM, previous versions would have killed the very systems it was supposed to run on very quickly (when I first started using Windows 2000 back when it came out I used IE5 as my daily browser on a P2-400 with 128MB of RAM), not to mention the memory usage would build up a lot faster than it does.

When it comes to very basic usage, IE has always been easier on memory than Firefox without exception (and with Firefox 3 and IE8 that's still the case, only there isn't AS MUCH of a difference now -- only around 10MB).  The only reason Firefox is better at it as a whole is because it's always managed tabs and windows better.  The main "issue" with IE is the way it handles new sessions of the browser -- it creates new IE controls with every tab/window that gets opened if I remember my Windows-ese correctly.  The issue isn't that the browser is keeping pages in memory, it's that it doesn't clean up immediately after it releases the controls.

The numbers fluctuate far more than the blog post shows, too.  I put heavy load on my system (which took a lot of work -- namely, Crysis x64 and 12 instances of EVE Online, which took up a total of about 3.2GB of memory...my system took it surprisingly well, with Aero only dropping to about 5 fps or so) and, surprise, it started garbage collecting like most built-in Windows components quickly do when memory is low (and, after that, I performed the surprisingly quick task of closing everything I'd opened and my system thanked me).

Given enough time, most Windows applications do release the memory that closed controls use.  It generally does this when the application is in the background for a while.
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Re: Web Browser Bitch Fest (also: Kuro's gay code)
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2008, 07:36:04 AM »
so im reading the title of the thread, and subsequent replies-- and lolling.


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